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miffed
21st May 2008, 07:15 AM
From the Daily Mail


A solicitor was charged £4,900 by her mobile phone company for watching The Apprentice and two other BBC shows over the internet on holiday.

The 46-year-old, who would only be named as Janet, was faced with the enormous bill on her return home.

She is now refusing to pay up, claiming she was never told her £25 monthly tariff for 'unlimited broadband' did not apply abroad.
The Apprentice


It comes at a time when the European Commission is putting pressure on mobile phone companies to cut their fee hikes for services on the continent.

Janet decided to download the Apprentice using the BBC's iPlayer service during a long weekend trip to Villefranche on the French Riviera.

At the same time she decided to watch the politics shows This Week and The Andrew Marr Show on her laptop using a XXXXXXX 3G card, which enables fast internet access.

She wrongly assumed that the tariff included downloading programmes while abroad. Her internet provider actually charges £4.25 per megabyte for the service.

It means a show like The Apprentice - which requires a 600 megabyte file to download - would cost £2,550.

Janet, who rents a serviced office in Oxfordshire, said: "When I got home I had a call from the person who manages my office.

"They said they had got a bill for my mobile while I was abroad.

"You can imagine how I felt when they said it was nearly £5,000. I am refusing to pay it because when I got my 3G card, I wasn't given any information which said it was going to cost me that sort of money to download data abroad.

"The hotel where I was staying had wi-fi [wireless internet] access which I could have used for 15 euros [£12] a day, but I thought I was saving myself 15 euros by using my 3G card."

Janet, who specialises in property law, buys her mobile phone and internet services from the company from which she rents her office, which in turn has a contract with Manchester-based Yes Telecom, a XXXXXXX subsidiary.

A spokesman for Ofcom, the communications watchdog, said that companies were obliged to ensure customers were aware of the cost of using phones abroad.

"We think these data roaming rates are too high. We think the industry should reduce its roaming charges and if it doesn't then we will discuss with the EC how to reduce the charges," he added.

Viviane Reding, the European Union commissioner for information, society and media, had given phone companies until July 1 to cut their fees for downloading data and texting while abroad.

I posted this here so we could have a game of "Guess Which Network" ?

In the Words of the Great Rolf Harris ... Can you guess who it is ?

....I bet you can :D

Ben
21st May 2008, 04:40 PM
Mhm... so she thought her mobile broadband meant she could download bucket loads of data all over the world?

I don't accept her defence... at best she's naive and at worst she's a total thicko.

miffed
21st May 2008, 06:37 PM
at best she's naive and at worst she's a total thicko.

Yeah , agree totally - wouldn't catch me using them ;)

getti
21st May 2008, 06:53 PM
Janet, your internet use when abroad was a total joke, you did nothing during this task so with regret... YOUR FIRED!

getti
21st May 2008, 07:46 PM
VODA WAIVE THE BILL!!

A solicitor who was charged £4,900 by Vodafone for using her dongle to watch The Apprentice and two other BBC shows over the internet on holiday, has had her bill waived.

The 46-year-old solicitor refused to pay after claiming she was never told her £25-monthly USB modem tariff did not apply abroad.

She decided to download The Apprentice using BBC's iPlayer service during a long weekend trip to Villefranche on the French Riviera.

She also decided to watch the politics shows This Week and The Andrew Marr Show on her laptop using her Vodafone dongle.

She wrongly assumed that the tariff included downloading programmes while abroad.

The charges were actually around £4.25 per megabyte, which means a show like The Apprentice costs £2,550.

A spokeswoman for Vodafone said: ‘The customer was on a 24-hour package which was perfect for browsing the web and doing emails while travelling.

‘However it was subject to a capped fair-use policy which meant it was not suitable for streaming TV. But we have waived the bill on this occasion.’

A spokesman for Ofcom, the communications watchdog, said that companies were obliged to ensure customers were aware of the cost of using phones abroad.

He added: 'We think these data roaming rates are too high. We think the industry should reduce its roaming charges and if it doesn't then we will discuss with the EC how to reduce the charges.'

Hands0n
21st May 2008, 10:09 PM
It really is so simple that it stinks that Vodafone and the others do not do the easy thing. We do it with cigarettes. We do it with alcohol. So I firmly believe that all mobile data contracts should be sold with a huge red warning notice plastered on the top and [like insurance and finance agreement forms] also has a big red warning box where the customer signs.

It may well be that the buying public are too stupid to realise the consequences of mobile data roaming. But even the likes of us have trouble finding the price of roaming on the websites and small print. The [scary] mobile roaming tariffs are very well hidden away. I think it is completely unacceptable to say "Well, the information is published on our websites". In response I would say "Then put it on your Homepage!".

3GScottishUser
21st May 2008, 10:45 PM
I dont know what the problem is with mobile networks re this issue.

They can easily put up a costs page when a customer connects abroad in the same way as they welcome and advise on call use and SMS facilities when travelling.

Its a simple issue about being transparent re charges. Users should not have to wade through documents to be advised when high charges are applied.

miffed
22nd May 2008, 10:05 AM
I dont know what the problem is with mobile networks re this issue.

They can easily put up a costs page when a customer connects abroad in the same way as they welcome and advise on call use and SMS facilities when travelling.


EXACTLY !! - they could , but they choose not to - this suggests to me that they regard these people as revenue stream

Interesting that they have chosen to waive this SOLICITORS bill eh ?

Wonder how your average Joe would have faired ?

Ben
22nd May 2008, 01:26 PM
Hm, well, they waived my bill (issues relating to the 24-hour FUP abroad, but also general billing issues on Vodafone's part meaning the 24 hour sessions were never applied in the first place), and I'm not a solicitor. However, I do think my case had actual merit. This woman must have been living in a cave not to know that anything 'mobile' abroad costs a squllion times more than at home.

However, Janet aside, I also think it's insane that anyone can go on holiday and be permitted to run up a bill of more than a couple of hundred pounds on a mobile contract. It's unacceptable and needs addressing urgently.

Cjp
25th May 2008, 08:19 PM
is it just me that takes a heavily topped up pay as you go sim abroad these days haha.orange and t mobile are about the cheapest for data roaming at £8 and £7 a meg respectively and i didnt find those figures hard to find on their sites either.certainly dont roam on o2 they charge £15 a meg but if memory serves about £7 on contract.
i take the view once my credits gone its gone.best thing is i wont get any surprises when i get home and my contract bill lands.

Hands0n
25th May 2008, 09:27 PM
is it just me that takes a heavily topped up pay as you go sim abroad these days haha.......

Probably ;) I tend to find myself not needing too much in the way of Internet when I'm on holiday - thats my sacred "chillin time". But if the urge gets too strong there is always a cheapo Internet Cafe somewhere nearby where I can get my fix.

But I can see that, in time, it will become very natural to take all of our 21st century paraphenalia with us on holiday. I really do feel for these people who have been royally shafted by their mobile data roaming activities. There is an element of Buyer Beware (Caveat Emptor for Boris fans). And I do think that the mobile ops need to do very much more to make folk aware, much more aware.