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3g-g
19th September 2007, 01:41 PM
From the Guardian: http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2172347,00.html




Vodafone and Orange have finalised their UK network joint venture and will today announce they are looking for an outsourcing partner, such as Ericsson, to help maintain their mobile masts in a move that will raise concerns about potential British job losses.

The two mobile phone groups will today inform their hundreds of network staff that, after months of talks, they have signed a deal to create a joint venture company. It will look after their combined radio networks - consisting of thousands of mobile phone masts across the country.

While the venture will initially focus on the two companies' newer 3G networks they are hoping to expand it, over time, to include their older 2G network infrastructure.

The deal should mean fewer masts will be needed for both companies to fill out their networks and could cut the cost of extending 3G services, such as high-speed mobile internet access, into rural areas.

Having spent billions acquiring the licences to run 3G services, and seen the market become fiercely competitive, the UK networks are looking to reduce costs. As a result many companies are looking to outsource some of their operations.

Last year 3, owned by Hutchison Whampoa, signed a seven-year £1bn outsourcing deal with Ericsson which saw more than 1,000 staff transfer to the Swedish firm.

The Orange-Vodafone joint venture is likely to mean staff transferring to the new network company, while any outsourcing agreement could put jobs in jeopardy.

Vodafone and Orange, however, will retain control of their backbone networks, which connect phone masts with systems such as billing and content, allowing them to continue to develop their own services.

The two companies have been talking for more than seven months and recently there has been speculation that negotiations had collapsed. The deal has undoubtedly taken longer than either side had envisaged as accountants and lawyers have argued over which assets should be included in the joint venture and how it should be funded. Staff affected range from engineers and technicians to human resources and property specialists.

Both companies are already working together in Spain but their network deal in that country concerns sharing masts in remote rural areas and is nowhere near as wide-ranging as the UK deal.

Ben
19th September 2007, 03:19 PM
Crazy stuff. I mean I hope it's for the best in terms of coverage and quality, but it's surely going to be a mixed bag of news for the employees affected. I'm also not entirely sure why Vodafone feels the need to do this, as in terms of coverage and quality I'm sure it will be of bigger benefit to Orange, but I'm open-minded about what the future might bring.

I'd love to read more about the real positives and negatives of this move.

3GScottishUser
20th September 2007, 06:01 PM
I can see the benefits for both as two lots of 3G spectrum can be broadcast using the same hardware and can be serviced by one company. Each network will still have it's own dedicated share of the bandwidth (as Vodafone have a little more than Orange) and both can share the costs of rolling out the 3G services to rural areas.

This is probably similar to broadcasting consolodation where one company now manages all of the transmission of the UK's BBC and the vast majority of Independent transmission facilities.

The cost savings should allow both Vodafone and Orange to offer even more competitive services but that will be at the expense of some highly qualified staff who will be shed as part of this new arrangement.

Hands0n
21st September 2007, 12:05 AM
This is probably similar to broadcasting consolodation where one company now manages all of the transmission of the UK's BBC and the vast majority of Independent transmission facilities.

In a word ...... Railtrack :eek:



Quite :(

Ben
21st September 2007, 12:09 AM
Well, fortunately they still have other networks to compete against, so it's not like the converged network company will be able to be complacent. IMHO we probably don't need more than 3 (though certainly wouldn't want less than 3) physical networks in the UK, especially if they're all using the same damn technology.

3g-g
21st September 2007, 12:30 AM
Well, once Orange and Vodafone are "together" as such that's the equivalent of one network, Three and T-Mobile are planning on doing the same, that's two, leaving O2 in the wilderness, that's 3.

So there you go Ben, 3 networks in the UK, 5 operators... and if OFCOM get their way with the reshuffle of the 900MHz band, another 3 will pop up, so we could have 8 people looking for our cash. Suddenly it seems like the broadband/home telephone market, think that's deliberate? ;)

Ben
21st September 2007, 12:35 AM
It's a magic number, you know :p

Hands0n
21st September 2007, 06:51 AM
Suddenly it seems like the broadband/home telephone market, think that's deliberate?


Undoubtedly so. While the actual intention is not being stated it is entirely reasonable to believe this. The mobile networks have run out of ways to take money from us other than through Voice and Text. They keep trying fancy but doomed projects. They tariff some of their product entirely wrong (i.e. videocalling priced out of reach of most). Data likewise.

Data is the magic bullet that has been staring them in the face. But they have all been greedy and tried to make big sales on the back of "Content". Some mobile operators even went as far as calling themselves Media Companies - what a complete joke that was. So, rather than increase ARPU by a modest individual charge they did, and some still do, treat Data as a Premium product which, like all Premium products only sell to those with large disposable incomes. The finance model has to change, and it is doing so very slowly as the uber-conservative Finance Marketing Directors and get their heads around these simple facts.

The future could be good for the data consumers out there - and not so good for the fixed line providers.