[gorilla]

I'm feeling lonely, a little neglected, :( so I'll start a thread about my new E65. Maybe one day someone else from Talk3G will get one, but until then, it's just me. Boo Hoo

Alright, it's been an emotional few days. If you've any comments / questions relating to the E65 please post them here.
Heres what apps I've got running so far:
Profimail (http://www.lonelycatgames.com/?app=profimail)
skype (http://www.skype.com/)
mobilcast (http://www.mobilcast.com/)
ebay mobile (http://pages.ebay.co.uk/mobile/)
mlock (http://www.cooga.ch/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=55&lang=en)
google mail (http://www.google.co.uk/mobile/)
google maps (http://www.google.com/gmm/)
calcium (http://mtvoid.com/calcium/)
mobireader (http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/application.asp?device=SymbianOs)
MSN messenger (http://get.live.com/messenger/overview)
mobizines (http://www.mobizines.com/rss/index.jsp)
opera mini (http://www.operamini.com/)
Handy expense (http://nokia-e61-software.epocware.com/Handy_Expense.html)
handy clock (http://nokia-e61-software.epocware.com/Handy_Clock.html)
handy converter (http://nokia-e61-software.epocware.com/Handy_Converter.html)
MS Dict (http://www.mobisystems.com/product.html?p=8&l=1&pid=31&i=1)

Many of those apps are X-series (http://xseries.three.com/what_xseries.shtml).

I've just spied google calendar for mobile (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/calendar-for-mobile-devices.html) as well. Off to try that out now:D

[Ben]

I don't have one personally, but a colleague does. Generally speaking this is one of the quickest, best looking and most compact S60 handsets that there has ever been. I myself have been tempted to get one, but it's just not enough of a change from the N73.

Always great to hear of your experiences!

[solo12002]

Anyone spoted yahoo Calendar for mobiles? I have yahoo2go on a old n70 but i dont think it syns with the calendar.

Gorilla Can you get Skype, three mobile mail and X Series sliver on the e65? Im thinking of thaking out contract etc. Im sure your Gf is glad you have something else small to play with these days!!!:):):)

[getti]

i got MobileMail running on my P990 no problem. Not quite as quick as Blackberry (a few seconds later) but on a 3G device this makes it more usable i think.

[whatleydude]

The new yahoo go gamma is SO bad.
No calendar sync is one of the things I hate about it.

I can't believe they've stopped making native symbian clients.
Sodding Java... meh meh meh.. .

*rant over*

[solo12002]

" yahoo go gamma " is it I have yahoo to go the first one on my N70 and want to keep it, I wish i could syn my calander with it.

[gorilla]

You can get x-series on the E65 and as far as I know it works with all the x-series apps. Skype works fairly well, although sometimes it doesn't show that your contacts are online (even thought they are). I haven't tried 3 mobile mail, but I'm pretty sure that works and is included in the price.

The 3g coverage is pretty good, well in fact it's really good. There seems to be coverage all the way from Bangor to Banbridge, not been any further than that. Nor up north, or west for that matter. But I'm happy with that.

Im sure your Gf is glad you have something else small to play with these days!!!:):):)

It's not all about size you know ;)

[whatleydude]

" yahoo go gamma " is it I have yahoo to go the first one on my N70 and want to keep it, I wish i could syn my calander with it.

i've actually got a S60v3 version of Yahoo Go on my desktop but it refuses to install on the N95.

N73/N80/N75 etc... fine.
But no N95 support - you have to get their crappy java client.
I'm working with a guy from yahoo go at the moment - and he's pretty sure they're not gonna pursue the symbian route anymore..

:(

[Hands0n]

I'm working with a guy from yahoo go at the moment - and he's pretty sure they're not gonna pursue the symbian route anymore..

:(

They've seen something more to their liking coming over the horizon?

I'm not surprised really. I, personally, think that Symbian will turn out to be one of those phone OSs that never was. Possibly all the fault of the manufacturers - look at the N95, a supposed "Computer in your hand" that runs out of memory if you launch more than a couple of apps, and STILL suffers from memory leaks in things like the browser! Now whats that all about? Why do the phone manufacturers insist on being so miserly with the phone memory? Sony Ericsson stuffed over half a Gig in their W900i non-Symbian, so the technology exists.

I'm no fanboy of Windows Mobile - but it is the better of the two in very many respects. And handsets using it tend to be a bit better in terms of base memory, perform quicker, and multitask better.

Unless they get their finger out I give Symbian another five years at most before WM and Linux take the playing field all to themselves.

Oh and lets not forget Apple's OS X - they may keep that all to themselves and not licence it, but if it works half as good as it does on the desktop and laptop then the other phone OSs are in for a run for their money!

[gorilla]

Part of the problem is the manufacturers not including enough preinstalled memory (or the Symbian OS itself not handling memory well?). Could the next version not use part of the external memory as RAM?

[Hands0n]

They're going to have to do something - I'm near the end of my personal Symbian line of patience. There are better mobile platforms out there to make it not worth the pain and effort. The N95 was eagerly awaited - lots of promise, lots of good early results. But try living with one! I'm bored out of my skull with its idiosyncrasies that are there, and in the N93, and the 6680 before it, and my son's N75 ...... Nokia are nickel and diming this out of existence! FFS how much IS a decent, say, 512MB of RAM these days?! Retail its less than a tenner - so at Factory In prices its probably pennies.

Symbian? Pah!

[gorilla]

Oh come on...memory is sooooo expensive. :eek: I've had to shell out £17.99 on a super fast 2gb micro SD card. So a [small ;)]manufacturer like Nokia can't be expected to include that in it's retail package :p

Having upgraded my latop memory in the past I also know how much of a problem RAM upgrades can be. :confused: Yip, give me a screw driver and i'm clueless.

Seriously though, Symbian is in real danger of losing ground to iphone (and it's not even real). (although why anyone would buy a mac is beyond me :p) So it has to evlove or risk losing customers.

[Hands0n]

A good closing point there Gorilla.

The iPhone represents a very real threat to all of the existing "Smartphones" that exist today. Nothing comes even close in terms of OS and Memory - forget that the iPhone has dozens of other attributes that will no doubt appeal to very many.

If the market predictions are correct then come end of 2007 the other manufacturers will be lucky to pick up the remaining 10% of the mobile phone business between them. That is always supposing that T-Mobile or whoever wins the exclusive launch of the iPhone can actually keep with demand for hardware and network! They nearly keeled over with the rapid uptake of Flext back in 2005.

Even if iPhone does not do quite so well, Symbian has to face the very real threat of the Linux for mobile development. This promises to wipe the floor with Symbian at least and give Windows Mobile quite a bloody nose - moreso because it is essentially Open Source although the manufacturers will likely close it off somehow.

Perhaps in a few years Symbian will be a near-forgotten memory.

[gorilla]

I await the day when you can load your own OS on to the phone. It surely can't be that far off.

[Hands0n]

It will likely never happen - or not at least with the incumbent arrangement of Manufacturer and Network Operator and their rather incestuous relationship.

[gorilla]

Ok, but as 'phones' become ever more sophisticated someones bound to release an OS for them that anyone can install themselves. You talk about a linux OS. If that was released today (as a direct competitor of S60) and it said it would run on an N95 would you not install it?

[Ben]

Oh I'd be tempted to give it a go. One of the problems is that, unlike PC's where most of the components are generic, mobile phones are very individual. Either S60 or Windows Mobile handsets would be the best targets for a user-installable OS, but there'd still need to be some serious work to create all the relevant drivers to interface with the handset hardware.

[Hands0n]

I think before there can be any kind of ubiquitous OS independence the Mobile Phone manufactrers will have to come up with some kind of standardised method to achieve this. Something along the lines of a PC's HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer). But then again, as the actors would say, what is the motivation for doing so?

To answer G's question - "Yes" I'd put on an indepenent OS and give it a go. I tried just that with my Linksys router - there is an entire project developing very sophisticated Router/Firewall OS for it.

[mob453]

http://www.endera.eu/sis/ Just found this

not the official site, but it works.

[mob453]

My e65 got delivered on Friday, very nice phone, had to uninstall everything that 3 put on it, all the X-Series stuff, as they did not supply a memory card.

[Hands0n]

Nice. But that is a bit shabby of 3 to not supply a memory card. Does the phone not come with a small sized memory card by default?

[mob453]

a generic e65 comes with a 256mb card.

[gorilla]

Nice. But that is a bit shabby of 3 to not supply a memory card. Does the phone not come with a small sized memory card by default?

I got a 512mb card with my E65 from 3.

Anyway, that didn't last long, I mean what's 512mb these days? So I purchased a SanDisk Ultra II 2gb from picstop (http://www.picstop.co.uk/Micro-SD---TransFlash/SanDisk-Ultra-II-Micro-SD-%28TransFlash%29---2GB). A big improvement. I hadn't really thought about a high speed card for the mobile before, but for all those who complain about the gallery taking a while to load, get one. The gallery is almost instantaneous now.

I have also installed Consilient Push (http://www.consilient.com/) as my main email client. Seems to work well, although a bit rough round the edges, but bear in mind that this is free software. It's supposed to be ad supported, not sure how that works. I think ads get added to outgoing mail.

[mob453]

just completely debranded my e65.

euro 1 black variant now, looks so nice.

[mob453]

Anyway, that didn't last long, I mean what's 512mb these days? So I purchased a SanDisk Ultra II 2gb from picstop (http://www.picstop.co.uk/Micro-SD---TransFlash/SanDisk-Ultra-II-Micro-SD-%28TransFlash%29---2GB). A big improvement. I hadn't really thought about a high speed card for the mobile before, but for all those who complain about the gallery taking a while to load, get one. The gallery is almost instantaneous now.

I took your advice and got a 1gb ultra micro sd from Picstop, arrived Thursday. strange thing is, I've only paid for one micro sd, and a second turned up on Friday:confused:

given up on Mobile Mail, using the phone's inbuilt client. Got Gizmo to give me a local number for incoming calls, plus the application allows connection to MSN, AIM, and GoogleTalk.

[gorilla]

just completely debranded my e65.

euro 1 black variant now, looks so nice.

How did you go about this? Was it using NSS or phoenix?

[mob453]

phoenix, as nsu does not currently have the e65

1) read this quote and follow the post on that forum





http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=382634

http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=388918



2) when finished, go here http://www.ipmart-forum.com/showthread.php?p=1511423 and dl all of the and save the file on to your desktop

3) Now, double click and install v1.0, than click on v1.1, than v1.2...... till the last version that you have dled.

4) open up phoexic, plug in your phone, than goto file=> refresh device

5) if it detects your phone, there will be an extra row that comes up.

6) Now goto flash, and flash firmware. Than click on the "..." after product code, and choose the firmware you want, and than click start.

7) Now go get some coffee while its doing so

Hope that helps, O, follow these rules at your own risk, as i am not responsible for any damages that arises from following my directions.

[gorilla]

Thanks for that. I'm going to flash as at work I'm constantly switching between 2g and 3g and the option to force it onto one or the other will be handy.

[whatleydude]

I'd be interested to see what firmware you guys are running.

My friend has an E65 and I want to flash it for her.
Cheers.


Also - in lieu of creating a whole new thread for one phone - I got a brand new E61i for my new work phone yesterday. Love it.

[solo12002]

" I want to flash it for her"

I take it we are still talking about the mobile?;)

[gorilla]

I'd be interested to see what firmware you guys are running.

1.0633.18.02
26-01-07
RM-208

This is the original 3 firmware; I've still to unbrand it.

[mob453]

1.0633.18.01, was on 1.0633.18.02

[gorilla]

Here mob453, did you have any trouble flashing your E65? I can't seem to get phoenix to recognise that my handset is connected.

[mob453]

had no issues getting it recognised.

[gorilla]

I've successfully debranded my phone. Not sure what went wrong the first time round.
That'll be the joy of windows!

Strange thing happened near the end of the process - pop up box appeared telling the flashing had failed. However, the phone rebooted fine and low and behold I've got proper nokia firmware now.

[mob453]

found
0545561 HONGKONG SAR which has a firmware update to 2.0633.62.03

[whatleydude]

@mob453

Bloody good work.

[mob453]

All variants are due a software update this month, seems HONG KONG got it first.

[whatleydude]

I'd be interested to see the change log..

[mob453]

product codes 0545561 and 0545562 had the most bugs reported which is why they were updated first.

[mob453]

new software upgrade:

2.0633.65.01
date 03/10/2007

I've not upgraded yet, but that's because I do not have Windows running on my pc, and the Nokia Software Updater wont work through Virtualbox.

[gorilla]

Is the APAC one, or is it general release now?

This gives me a good excuse to start using the E65 again. I don't know what it is with the N95, but I just don'e have the same level of satisfaction with it as I have with the E65. Maybe it's build quality.

Edit:
Just seen the other thread.

[mob453]

it's general release.

[gorilla]

Upgraded last night, all went well. Not sure I've noticed much of a difference yet.

[mob453]

It's for that reason I'm holding off upgrading.

previous firmware 1.0633.58.01

new firmware 2.0633.65.01

the 2 means they've updated core components like voip as this link shows:

http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/resources/technologies/voice_over_IP/

all it means is the voip release is now up to 2.1 like the n80 version 4.0707.07 and the n95 version 10.0.018


and if you look up the board. e70 e61 and e65 all had .0633. after the number 3, this matches the e65 and e61, suggesting that the main components on the phone have not changed.

I believe a 3.0708 firmware is on the way looking at that table, as N80 previous had 4.0632

[mob453]

well I've upgraded, reinstalled xp in my pc as well.

formatted my micro sd as I was having issues.

now have 3 connection settings

3
3 MMS
3 WAP

Truphone has installed fine, so has Gizmo

Download! finally started working again

Opera Mini and Widsets are improved

Yet to install Mobizines from E65 Services